Showing posts with label argument. Show all posts
Showing posts with label argument. Show all posts

Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Empathy for the Devil


Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of self and haste
Pounding around many a ear
Strolled on many a man's poor face...

Perhaps you recognize the lyrics I've mauled from the Rolling Stones song Sympathy for the Devil?

In our divided society today, many of us engage in personal attacks. We insult the human rather than discuss the idea. We place our own views in front of their person, objectifying them, demeaning them, and in the process lessening who we are or can become.

Here are some quotes lifted from the comment section of a recent headline story on a popular news website:

"Does your dumb ass even know what Fascism is?"
"I know you're stupid as a snake screwing a stick."
"You're just another nitwit who doesn't live in the 'evidence based world'."
"What worries me about these idiots is that we will run out of tin foil, for their hats."
"Why do you lick xxx's balls so much?"
"You're just another wing-nut wacko conspiracy theorist ."
"I don't believe she's capable of having any thought that's not given to her!"
"That sounds pathetic as well as insane."

Our opponent?
An ad hominem is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their ideas. These personal attacks are made to reduce the opinion of a challenger by reducing the opinion of the person. Personal attacks are a form of verbal bullying. A word-based way of doing violence upon another human being.

As long as we adults continue to speak like we are on a school yard playground, shouting insults at each other, we will not advance our causes. Ad hominem attacks are self defeating. Personal aggression spoils the conversation. The person on the receiving end of the attack rarely changes their minds. The person on the giving end of the attack, is often trying to boost their own self esteem.

One technique I find very useful, when engaging in debates, is to empathize with my opponent. As when we play chess, I try to imagine what the world looks like from their viewpoint. This does several useful things. It helps me overcome my own emotions and be more rational. Empathy sometimes causes sympathy for a position and changes my mind, thus allowing me to grow. By understanding the argument being used, I am also able to craft a better argument in order to disprove their assertions.

I said that about you?
When I am the object of an ad hominem attack, there are several strategies to counter it effectively; ignore them. avoid them, or point them out.

By ignoring the attack and proceeding with my own logical thoughts, often the anger in my opponent can be toned down. Kind people who are in high emotion can be brought down from their often hormonal motivated peak to a calmer place when those around them emit calm.

When attacks grow more brutal, sometimes it is better to walk away and cease the violence upon my person. The enraged opponent may believe they have won, but that costs me nothing, as nothing has actually changed. The fuming may relent to a more placid state when the debate can be re-engaged.

Pointing out that an other is engaged in assailing my person rather than my idea, often will force them back to the issues at hand. This can be done both by simple statement, “That was a personal attack.” Or on occasion more subtly by using a fantastic ad hominem attack in return, showing the silliness of the attack. I do not recommend this later path of counter-attack, as it often can back-fire if not done with great skill.

Online this is always true.
A debate where one person changes there mind is useful for everyone concerned. A debate that has no opinion shifts can still be educational for one or all. A debate where both sides feel insulted often leads to further conflict, sometimes escalating to closed minds, or worse; physical violence.

Empathize with the devil. 
Do not take his "de-bait".  
Stand in his shoes. 
Walk in them if you can. 
You will find more mileage from the effort.


Sunday, January 27, 2013

Why God? (Part 3)


This is the last in a three part series considering the question "Why believe in God?" The earlier entries examined why we might want to consider thinking about God's existence and discussed both sides of the arguments for God's existence from the viewpoints of design and being. Here we will analyze the basics of the ideas behind the thesis of God from cause and from morality.   Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3

Both of these ideas about the existence of God have two counter arguments. This is what the logic of debate has discovered and not an attempt to bias the description of those arguments. Some cases are more complex than others and take longer to explain. Please do not let word count sway your mind, rather the ideas that are contained within the words.

Once more to be clear, I do not hope to change your mind, rather to help clarify why it is we believe what we believe.


From Cause

The first cause.
Pro: Everything that exists has a cause. Since causes can not go on infinitely backward, there must have been a first cause. 

The first cause is God. 

If there is a beginning, it must have begun from something, and that something is what we call God.



Creating oneself.
Con 1: Who created God? Does God require a God that created God? If God is never created then he must be infinite. If there is an infinite, then we do not need God. This argument does allow for an infinite God, but only if we are a part of him and therefore a part of God. It leads however to the paradox that if the universe is infinite, then the universe must be God. 

 This proof can only work if God is the universe and humans, snakes, trees and rocks are a part of the universe and therefore each a part of God.

Complicated, inter-connected causes.
Con 2: There are no single causes. Everything has always existed.  Everything exists all together at once. Many things must happen in order for a something to happen.

 The billiard ball only goes into the pocket if there is a billiard table, pockets, a player, a cue stick, and some action is performed. All of these are only partial list of the things necessary for the ball to go into the pocket.

Cause is an illusion of the human mind thinking it is separate from the universe. Actually human beings are a part of the universe and made of part of it that appear separate because of the configuration of our parts.

Since there is no single cause, there is no single God.

Permitted immorality?

From Morality

Pro: If there is no God, then everything is permissible. Some things are not permitted, they are immoral. 

That morality exists proves God must too. 

Morals are descriptions of what we ought to do. Morals are about commands we should follow. Commands can not exist with out a God. 

Morals come from God.

Cats eat birds too.
Con 1: It is a fact that cats eat mice. There are lots of cats that eat mice and they eat them whenever hunger or desire drives them to. There is no moral basis for cats to eat mice, they just do it because that is what cats are. 

Just because things are the way they are does not require a God. Things could be the way they are because they happened at random (see argument Con 2 for From Cause above). 

The cat's action of “eat to live” is description of what it ought to do. It is the command the cat follows. This command can exist with out the need for a God.


Lesser of two evils?
Con 2: Sometimes morality requires choice between two evils or two goods. Since not all choices are absolute no command really fits the definition of absolute morality. 

Some things work better than others sometimes but not all the time. Sometimes you have to kill other people to live. Sometimes its' wrong to kill people. 

Every command has a flaw to be found. There is no absolute morality, and therefore no absolute need for a God. Commands are morally ambivalent and require no God.


There you have the four basic arguments for and against God's existence. There are many dozens of sub-arguments extending from these basic four. I encourage you find them and read on if you would like to know more.


For those who believe you can find more arguments supporting your position here.

A good summary of arguments from the disbelievers can be found here.

I will not pretend to be an authority, rather a questioner who explores. This is merely what I have found so far. The journey of understanding will continue long after me. Oh that I could stand on the shoulders of taller giants and know more.

Why God? (Part 2)


In the previous post, we outlined the reasons we might want to question the existence of God.  The post discussed arguments from authority and then listed four fundamental methods for God's existence: from design, from being, from cause, from morality.  Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3

This post will explore the arguments from design and from being.

Each proof will be stated from the “Pro” case and the “Con” case. The Pro case will discuss the basic idea behind the argument. The Con case will describe why some find the case for God's existence to not hold up. Some cases are more complex than others and take longer to explain. Please do not let word count sway your mind, rather consider the ideas that are contained within the words.

Again, I do not hope to change your mind, rather to help us clarify why it is we believe what we believe.


Clocks un-cared for rust.
From Design

Pro: A clock is complex. A clock has an intricate mechanism. It could not be a result of mere chance, therefore it must be designed. 
The designer of all things must be God. Everything fits together so perfectly to create us and all that is. 
That we exists and that the universe exists shows God must also exist.


Randomly possible dice.
Con: That things can be random suggests things are not designed. Rolling a half dozen dice can have more than 46000 different outcomes. The dice landed one way or another at random. Because there is randomness no designer is required to have any particular result of our dice roll.

The universe is based on randomness at the quantum level. The universe may be very large, with many 'dice' in it, but the way it came out was random. While our existence is improbable, it is not impossible without a God. We are only lucky that it came out the way that it did. Given how big the universe is, it actually becomes probable that we would be here now. God is not required to have the universe be the way it is if the universe is all randomness.


From Being

God is perfect.
Pro: This thought is based on the idea that God is the perfect being. If God lacked existence he would not be perfect.

God is perfect so he must exist. The mere idea that we can imagine God and his perfection, means he must exist and be perfect. That we can imagine perfection at all requires there be a perfect being. 

This argument is based on reason alone. It needs no facts to prove it. 
Thoughts of purity, infinity, of absolute morality make them real. If these thoughts are real, then they must be God.



Alice in Wonderland.
Con: We can imagine things that are not real. Alice in Wonderland is not real. The idea of Alice is real, but she is not. Thus some do not think God is real just because we imagine him.

Can we not imagine something greater than God? 
Does God have a God? 
Did God create himself ? 
Did we create the idea of God?






The next post will explain the ideas behind cause and morality for proofs of the existence of God.

Why God? (Part 1)


Many of us believe in God. We are taught by our parents and culture that there is a supreme being who is the cause, designer, maker, and moral force for all of us. Rarely do we stop to consider on what basis we believe this is so.  Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3

To ask the question “Why do we believe in God?” and many will answer from the power of authority “Because the good book told us to.” We may use other authorities like “God told us.” or “my Sunday school teacher said so”.

As a child, my dad said “Take out the garbage.”
"Take out the Garbage!"

Being curious by nature I innocently asked “Why?”

“Because I said so.” was his initial answer.

Being unsatisfied with an argument based purely on the power of his authority, I pressed on “But why do you say so?”

The intent never was to challenge his parental prerogative, rather to come to understand. Eventually he helped me realize that living in garbage was not good for my health, so taking the garbage away was a small effort in order to help myself. Knowing why we do something helps us to be motivated to do it better.

We grow up taking arguments from authority for granted.
Is the argument from authority sufficient for a mature, thinking person? Can we really stop with the use of authority as our basis for the belief in God?

 If a person in authority has made an error, then accepting their word is not enough. If a person in authority can not explain their reasons, then perhaps they are not an authority at all.

 By not exploring further, we may too make an error.

To me a part of faith is trying to understand why I believe what I do. Wisdom can grow from questioning one's self. A deeper understanding and appreciation of my faith merits its further consideration.

Ignorance, although it can be blissful, is never a virtue. With such an important question, we are called to do better, know more, to test ourselves and become stronger.

Getting closer to heaven.
I do not hope to change your mind, rather to help clarify why it is we believe what we believe. Many people may believe that one can not even ask the question about the existence of God. That the very question itself should not be argued. You may be one of those people. If so, you probably do not want to read further.

If you do not wish to challenge your belief and wish to only consider “because you were told so”, stop now. Read no more. If, however, you wish to understand yourself and your belief better, go forward, read on with an open mind.

There appear to be four basic arguments for the existence of God, from design, from being, from cause, and from morality. There have been many attempts to prove and refute these basic approaches.

These attempts have engaged more people that we can know. Their arguments for and against often vary with their culture and wisdom.

In the next two posts, I will try to summarize each of these arguments for the existence of God in simple modern terms, giving briefly an outline of the arguments for and against. May they test your faith and move you forward renewed.

Why God? (Part 2) - Why God? (Part 3)